Let's Talk Local Podcast | The Exorcism of Sarah Bennett

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Welcome to Let's Talk Local. I'm your host, Sarah Zubiate Bennett. I've experienced profound and transformational healing and deliverance in my own life, which has led me to deeply explore questions about the spiritual realm. As a Catholic Christian, my faith shapes how I approach these topics, and I also recognize that believers across many Christian denominations are asking similar questions. In many circles, you often hear terms like temptation, oppression, or even possession.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

For many people, those words can feel confusing or misunderstood even though Jesus himself healed people through deliverance. What do they actually mean? What does the bible say about spiritual warfare? And where are the boundaries between speculation and theology? To explore this, I'm joined by someone I deeply trust and who is instrumental in helping me through layers of healing and deliverance, my brilliant brother-in-law, Matt Bennett.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Matt is the founder of Christian Union. It's an organization focused on developing Christian leadership at some of America's most influential and prestigious universities. He earned his BS and MBA from Cornell University and holds a master of divinity from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. I'm excited about this one. Thank you for joining me.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Matt. Hi. Hello. I am so grateful that you're finally able to be here with me. I think I've been trying to record with you for over a year.

01:31

Matt Bennett

Has it been that long?

01:32

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I think so. Okay. I think so. But I think things just kept coming up. You clearly live in New York.

01:36

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I'm Yeah. But I am grateful to have you on. I know that now in the public light, there's so much conversation. At least, I think much more than prior to recent times. There's a lot more conversation and curiosity around spiritual warfare, around deliverance in many circles that I'm a part of.

01:59

Matt Bennett

Right.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And is that something that you would agree with?

02:02

Matt Bennett

Yeah. Yeah. It seems to be kinda good and bad in the mainstream.

02:06

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Of course.

02:06

Matt Bennett

Some bad stuff, but people becoming more educated. Yeah.

02:09

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. And so I'm I want you to very much give your your lengthy background, your experience, to our viewers and listeners because I'm having you here because I have personally received healing and deliverance from work that I have done with you, and through others in your ministry and in your orbit.

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Matt Bennett

Right.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And, I told someone today, if I were told lie and say don't you know, say that this did not happen. Mhmm. Say that you did not receive healing and deliverance from this type of work with Matt Bennett, and they had me and my children lined up, I would tell them, pull the trigger. Yeah. Because I never thought in my life I could experience healing Uh-huh.

03:03

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Freedom from things that plagued me from the time that I was a little girl. Yeah. You know my story. Yeah. You're my brother-in-law.

03:09

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Mhmm. You're Monty's identical twin. Yep. You and Monty are identical twins. Yeah.

03:14

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

So you're brilliant, but I very much want to give a little bit of my testimony. But before I do that, will you first tell our viewers and listeners a little bit about your background?

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Matt Bennett

Sure. Yeah. I was raised here in Texas and went up east for college and received my call to ministry up in college and I've been I started Christian Union and we have the focus on our focus on college campuses is Christian leadership development and we focus at very academically intense secular schools and so we're at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Columbia, Cornell, a bunch of And then we also minister to alumni of those schools and their friends in a number of key cities. We do most of our program in New York City, so both the college and the adult sort of ministry. And but the process of learning this side of the faith, the more supernatural side of the faith, yeah, it took a number of years to kinda get comfortable with it.

04:13

Matt Bennett

So it would do you want me to share a little bit about that Of course. Yeah. It was I mean, I first had interest in college in the eighties wanting to learn about the charismatic side of the faith since that wasn't my background. I really couldn't get my questions answered very well pre internet and kinda hard to get the books or talk to the people. Yep.

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Matt Bennett

And then a big turning point was 1995, Jack Deere, who's here in the Dallas area, he wrote a few books on the subject, but Surprised by the Voice of God was a book that he wrote and I was living in Princeton, New Jersey at the time, and then also met a friend named Hank and he had a very strong prophetic gift. So between that book and talking to my friend, I was able to start learning and then I started going to conferences. I mean, there's some weird things that happen, some of it's of God, some of it's not.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah.

05:03

Matt Bennett

Filtering that through and learning took a while, and then when the internet came on more and more and social media, you're able to learn a lot more. I learned a lot too from a friend Ken Fish, and I've known him for fifteen, twenty years or something like that now and about the super, but a number of other courses I've taken and learned and experimentation as well in some sense. So I praise God for being able to grow in this side of the faith. It's not the most important side, the most important is being loyal and faithful to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But I do believe miracles happen, I believe prophetic words happen, deliverance happens, and I minister in those ways every week, and it's part of my ministry, but not the center.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Got you. And Matt, it's interesting, I think it was before the the camera was rolling, you were stating that it's something even controversial among and amidst pastors. Can you elaborate a little bit on that?

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Matt Bennett

Sure. Yeah. So the the sign gifts, I guess you'd call them, the prophetic gifts in first Corinthians 12, some believe those have ceased and that spiritual gifts like leadership and evangelism, they continue on today, but the sign gifts no longer operative. So there it's controversial in that way, but it's also controversial on the deliverance side and can Christians be afflicted by evil spirits and that's, you know, you gotta talk that through. I had all the same questions, so that's controversial as well And there are good answers to it, but I can certainly understand people's caution as they consider it.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Great. Thank you for that. Yeah. Because I want people to understand the fact that this is something that is considered to be controversial. Mhmm.

06:55

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And because I have had such a radical change in my own life Yeah. For me, I I feel compelled Yeah. To speak with people such as yourself about this particular topic Mhmm. Even if it is controversial. Mhmm.

07:12

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

As you know, I was plagued with, let's call it massive sin Mhmm. From and I guess most are, but there are particular people such as myself who are born with generational curses. I could not stop certain types of things from the age of four or five to when I received my healing

07:37

Matt Bennett

Right.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

In 2023.

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Matt Bennett

Mhmm.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And and I received spurts of it. Right? Yeah. Some with you, some through another let's just call, what should we call this woman in

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Matt Bennett

your pathetic

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

circle? AM. I don't know what we call her. But I was plagued. I couldn't stop.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. I tried, I begged God for miracles. I asked God to help me stop. Yeah. And he answered your prayers.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And he did. Yeah. But you know, it's I guess the difficult part for me is that it took me going through one failed marriage. Yeah. And it was sitting in this room on that couch when this person in your group, this woman AM.

08:26

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

AM. Yeah. AM was sitting right on that rolly chair right here.

08:29

Matt Bennett

Yeah.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And she told me, you've been married. Mhmm. I was like, what have never been married? It sounded so insane. And so I find that I have had this demon, this husband spirit for generations and generations plagued my bloodline.

08:50

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I won't give specifics on which part of my bloodline or how, but I had it. Tum tumultuous relationships, I could never have a peaceful relationship.

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Matt Bennett

Mhmm.

09:03

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

She knew nothing about my background. Mhmm. Asked me, does this exist in your bloodline? I was like, from what I know about it, yeah, since I'm adopted. Right?

09:13

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I don't know my biological father's side. Anyhow, before she was here and you introduced her to me and us in this capacity, I was on my knees in my shower.

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Matt Bennett

Mhmm.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And I said, God, I am done. I am at my wit's end. I don't know what to do. Make this stop. And I was crying.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. I don't know. Several days later, she's here having this conversation with me, and then tells me, you will have to undergo and go through significant pain to have this removed. And I told her, I don't care. Mhmm.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I am in love with my husband, and if you're telling me I've never been married, what does that even mean? Yeah. So it it all sounded really out there and a little crazy. Now, fast forward, now that I do have a marriage bond and other prophetically gifted people in your circles. I know the Catholic people call call people of prophetic gifting mystics, but for this purpose, we're just gonna say people who have these prophetic gifts.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Right?

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Matt Bennett

Mhmm.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

She has told me. She has seen a picture of me before and today. And this other person said, oh my gosh, you had that husband's spirit. Right? Mhmm.

10:32

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

The serpent, the mask over your face, the mask of deceit and lies, they're gone. I was like, of course, they're gone because I've experienced radical healing, and I'm not crazy. Now I'm going through this whole annulment process in the Catholic church, and I believe that they will be able to prove that there was not a sacrament because I believe that I was cursed. But I and but as I'm having to go through all of this proof, we'll see what happens. But I'm pretty certain that will come out anyhow.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

So that's just those are bits and pieces Mhmm. Of my own testimony. Of course, it's much lengthier for myself, much lengthier for you. I might intersperse parts of it as as we continue speaking, but can you tell us specifically why? Christians, specifically, regardless of denomination, have a hard time believing and understanding that even though we have totally given our lives to God, because I did way back when.

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Matt Bennett

Right.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I went to a nondenominational school from first to twelfth grade. Right? Prayed in tongues, all the things. Yeah. Very, very, very solid Christian formation instruction.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I converted to Catholicism in college. However, my parents were Catholic. I had the foundation Mhmm. Yet I know I was plagued with a generational curse. But it's very difficult for other Christians to believe that we can be influenced or plagued by these spirits.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Can you you talk about that?

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Matt Bennett

Well, know, when we're you're talking here, it makes me think of us talking ahead of time a few weeks ago. And I'm like, as you tell your story, each part of this needs a lot of

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I know.

12:10

Matt Bennett

Conversation explanation. There's a lot of stuff there. For a person who's new to all of this, a lot of explanation. So we'll we'll hit on some aspects of it and how we see it. But but yeah, they're, you know, evil spirits are real and people have different views of where they come from and scholars have thought different views for years, had different views, but they do exist, and so they can and do afflict people.

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Matt Bennett

And it's controversial for some to think a Christian can be afflicted for a few reasons. One is is a bad translation in the Bible. They use the word possessed in the gospels, and that's not a good translation. And the only reason modern translations use it is because the King James used it from four hundred years ago, And but in the Bible it says a person has a demon or they're demonized. Mhmm.

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Matt Bennett

Or like in Ephesians, demons have a foothold. Don't let Satan get a foothold in your life. And so, of course, when we come to faith in Christ, we are not owned by the devil anymore. We're owned by the Lord Jesus Christ and sealed with the Holy Spirit. So I like to use the language, a foothold or an affliction or has or something like that, because it makes it more understandable for people even if they're Christians.

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Matt Bennett

But also Christians kind of wonder and say, well, how can that be if you're a Christian? And I think usually when a this is just based on my experience. When a person comes to faith in Christ, if there are demonic afflictions on them, usually there are. A lot of times you'll see them, I mean, you know, you may not see them, but some will leave right then, usually not all in my experience, this is just what I experience with people, and that's why sometimes when a person comes to faith in Christ, right then it's a radical change, like addiction's gone and other problems gone immediately. But with other people, it's it's a partial change, but not a full change, and I think that's often the reason why is usually people get a partial freedom from demonic afflictions.

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Matt Bennett

Now those spirits could have come on them in different ways and that's a whole other story, but they're there and so we want them gone by the grace of God. But a way to look at it is, I mean, some people even today will teach, and this was a heresy in the second century, is that when you become a Christian, you no longer sin and you're no longer tempted by sin. Well, of course you do. And you can say, well, how can that be? You've got the Holy Spirit in you.

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Matt Bennett

Well, it's because this isn't the next stage yet and it doesn't say in the Bible that that can't happen. And some people will look and say, well, you see a lot of deliverance in the gospels, but not as much talk about it in the epistles, and you don't. But you see a lot of talk about deliverance in the early church, and it was a common practice in the early church that once you receive Christ, you weren't allowed to be baptized until you went through a very extensive deliverance process. Also catechism and examination of your life, but that was a three year period. Mhmm.

15:03

Matt Bennett

So they very much understood and knew that Christians could be afflicted with it. So I understand people's objection, but there are good answers to that. What is deliverance? Deliverance is, Catholics call it exorcism, but it's the ejection of a being, a demon, an unclean spirit, an evil spirit that's attached to a person and it's a real being and has a will. It makes decisions.

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Matt Bennett

It is there and so you can't teach a demon out of a person And deliverance is not the answer for everything. People need teaching, they need encouragement, they need repentance, they need a lot of things to get strong in the Lord. But sometimes deliverance is the only thing that'll do because that evil spirit is there and it has to be ejected for the affliction to stop.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Thank you. And I just wanted that to be clear for Yeah. Anyone viewing, listening who's brand new to this entire topic. Interestingly enough, there were some Dominican priests at our Saint Rita church visiting from Rome just this past week. They had a mass of healing and deliverance.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Mhmm. So I went to confession Tuesday night. These Dominican priests, a person in our network was able to essentially lay eyes on them, and this person said, I have never seen people more anointed. Wow. But here's what's interesting.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

The entire process that we that we went through was totally different. We do believe that among them, there was a person there who had the ability to see into the supernatural from these gentlemen visiting. Anyhow, so we went through this entire healing, and it felt like the true power of God. Stuff that I was used to from conferences that you host with Ken Fish, that same almighty power. And I was shocked.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I was floored. And in this

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Matt Bennett

Because it was a Catholic environment?

17:09

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Because it was a Catholic environment. And I don't even know why I was floored because I listened to this, priest father, Dan Rehill. He's he's the exorcist over Nashville, and he was interviewing this gentleman who was talking about another healing and deliverance mass in Louisiana. Mhmm. And this particular priest was speaking in tongues and all these things and going through true deliverance.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And so I always did believe that to be the case as well, that it was more of an exorcism space or verbiage used in the Catholic church. No. It was deliverance and healing, a massive deliverance and healing. They had this beautiful examination of conscience, that I love for the confession. It was very thorough.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I was like, oh my gosh. Yes. Because I like to combine all of my resources. But you have at least, because you are my brother-in-law, and I believe it's only a miracle in God's grace that you're my brother-in-law, you have been able to make things so digestible for me. Mhmm.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Your website, I know you're starting up your Bennett broadcast, right, podcast again. Mhmm. You make things so digestible, which I so appreciate because you actually walk people through a lot of this information Mhmm. On your website. We'll cover that later.

18:28

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Mhmm. But can you in in the way that you're able to, can you help me and others listening understand the different ways demonic spirits attach themselves to and interact with people?

18:41

Matt Bennett

Sure. And on the term deliverance, so we're on the same page. Mhmm. People use that term differently, by the way. Sometimes they'll like people say, I went through a deliverance prayer.

18:51

Matt Bennett

Mhmm. And no evil spirit left them. It's just they felt like the people are praying and saying, I'm gonna pray a deliverance prayer. But there's been no ejection of these beings off of them, and other times it is. And some, you know, people do it different ways, but whether it's Catholic or Protestant or whatever, what we want of course, prayers for well-being are fantastic too, but we also want a process where you actually get them out of a person.

19:19

Matt Bennett

And when they come off of out of a person, sometimes a person does not manifest very much. Sometimes it's just like the movies. I know. And as I've done with people, sometimes they'll sit there, but then they notice later it's like, things are very, very different inside spiritually. It's like, you probably did have some deliverance, but then other times it's yeah, it's a whole, they speak through to you, they roll on the ground, they do everything like that and fight you and everything else, and a lot of times people need multiple sessions to get to where you need to go.

19:48

Matt Bennett

So any case, in terms of people being afflicted or how it begins, one I think that's the most obvious is through our own sins and when we sin, we make ourselves vulnerable to that and they can come on and and what they do is we still have our flesh, we always have that, but they can come on and and intensify it and make it all the harder. We're always responsible before the Lord for our own decisions no matter what if a person's chock full of evil But boys, nice when when you're trying to live a holy life that you're only fighting your flesh and not fighting these evil spirits.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Oh my gosh.

20:26

Matt Bennett

A lot of people had a lot of negativity in their minds. They have condemnation, attacks on them. I mean, it's it's really there on them and Or sexual sexual afflictions. Afflictions of all different People get visited in the night, they have things on them, they have nightmares that's often caused by this and yeah, all sorts of different things that people just live with, they don't know. It can cause physical problems on your body, everything, not every physical thing negative on you is caused by them, but some of them are and sometimes, it's worth checking to make sure that it's not an evil spirit afflicting you.

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Matt Bennett

Mental health things can be rooted, addictions can be rooted. I mean, it's really hard to say, is it always a demon? Well, how would you ever know that because you can't go around every person that ever there, but sometimes it is. That I have confident that a lot of negativity that people experience is an evil spirit.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. And I I I am led to agree with you now after Mhmm. These years of

21:23

Matt Bennett

Yeah.

21:23

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Of, you know, being part of your family and also exploring these conversations with other people in your circle. You sometimes hear talk about I mean, people talk about different types of generational curses, generational afflictions. Right. And it manifests, right, through ways of addiction or true struggle. Like, in my instance, it was really interpersonal relationships with men.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Heck, even with myself, it was just kind of all around me. Yeah. Matt, and I'm serious when I say, I tried. I couldn't stop.

22:03

Matt Bennett

Yeah, it's a bondage.

22:04

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

It was horrible. Yeah. Matt, there have been people who have died Mhmm. With without ever finding this freedom. Yeah.

22:13

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

There are people living out there Yeah. Without experiencing this freedom. Yeah. Are those people going to be held to the same standards that I am if they were truly, like, living in bondage? Mhmm.

22:28

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And and where scripturally is this is this backed?

22:33

Matt Bennett

Well, I mean, it's it's it's so obvious how grateful you are to the Lord for his And kindness to a lot of people have received mercy through the Lord in these ways, but a lot haven't for a variety of different reasons. And it's heartbreaking because a lot of people go through a lot of suffering because of it in different ways. They don't get the release in freedom that could be available to them, and and the book of Galatians talk about the freedom we have in Christ, and part of that is I think freedom from the opportunity to be free from these afflicting spirits, as well as other things, freedom from a guilty conscience that that's a broad term there. But, yeah, the scriptures do speak about the Lord's judgment on us having to be related in terms of what opportunities we had or what our circumstances were. It says in Romans two for instance that people are judged if they have the law of God against that, but if they don't have the law of God, they're judged against their conscience.

23:30

Matt Bennett

So you see that principle. You also see in the gospels when it says to whom much is given, much is expected. So God does treat us in light of the circumstances that we're in, and so I think there'll be some people in heaven who acted out some bad ways, they didn't want it, they fought it, but probably because of some healing needs or because of their evil spirits, it was just too much for them to resist all the time. There resisted some of it. That's probably the case.

23:59

Matt Bennett

But also, you'll see some people not in heaven who live some sort of quote unquote good lives, but their hearts weren't with the Lord. They were blessed to not have those afflictions Mhmm. But they really weren't interested in being submissive and devoted to the Lord Jesus.

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Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Mhmm. And do you believe that in heaven because I know in hell, at least from what I believe, what I've read, what people have seen Yeah. There are levels in hell. I know most people cannot enter into the gates of heaven, even kind of prophetically gifted from what I I can understand. Do you believe that there are different levels of heaven?

24:44

Matt Bennett

I believe there are rewards, and what that looks like is not clear from the scriptures. Mhmm. There is a passage that talks about amount of authority that you're given in heaven that is related to how righteous and devoted life that you live, so that might be part of it, and people who do see into the spirit, which I do not, but I have plenty of friends do, they will see sort of even crowns on people's heads and kind of depend how big and how decorated kind of representing that in some way. So the scriptures are clear though that we all will be before the Lord, the judgment seat of Christ, and he will give rewards even though some will get into heaven, some will be disappointed because they don't get much of any rewards. They'll still be in heaven, but people will be rewarded for being faithful, enduring, saying no to evil temptations Mhmm.

25:35

Matt Bennett

And loving the Lord with their whole hearts.

25:38

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. And I, you know, I even was listening to, again, that same father Dan Rehill, he, unfortunately, as as part of his testimony, he talks about how he was raped by a priest.

25:50

Matt Bennett

As fate would have it, I was molested by a priest when I was 11.

25:53

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

He talked about a particular moment in time where he believed that God spoke to him and said, this man is in purgatory. And he even responded and said, he made it to purgatory. Right? But then he basically said, you must forgive him. Mhmm.

26:16

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

You must forgive Mhmm. This priest, this man. Yeah. And then he had a moment later where he was talking about he believed that the priest made it into heaven after he worked and worked and worked and worked and worked on inner healing and working to forgive this man. He believed he made it into heaven.

26:39

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And and we'll even link all of this to this, right, kind of these other references, Shannon. But Matt, that is so hard for a lot of people Mhmm. Who have experienced

26:52

Matt Bennett

Mhmm.

26:54

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Incest, rape Mhmm. To believe that these despicable deeds Mhmm. That are done and carried out on earth could mean that this person eventually winds up in heaven. Yeah. Could you speak to how a person such as that Mhmm.

27:15

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Priest could actually wind up in heaven? In fact, he is, right, based on what this man's share and testimony.

27:27

Matt Bennett

Yeah. It's a scandal of the cross. It's a scandal of Christianity that a person can repent of their sins and be with the Lord forever. It's really extraordinary and a lot of people cannot accept it because of that. We have the example of the thief on the cross.

27:43

Matt Bennett

He was obviously a bad dude. He's being crucified, but Jesus says today I'll see you in paradise. So that's an incredible aspect of the Christian faith.

27:52

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's right.

27:52

Matt Bennett

That you can have all your sins wiped away even the very last minute. So you miss out on a lot of blessings in this life, you also miss out rewards in the next life because of that, but it's amazing and incredible of that blood of Jesus will wash away all of our sins, because the Lord wants us loyal to him. And if we decide in our hearts we're gonna be loyal to him, we're gonna say a way of sin and rebellion is not acceptable, you're right God, admit that, turn to God and say, I pledge myself to be loyal to you. That's what it means to be saved by faith. Jesus said, repent and believe the gospel.

28:26

Matt Bennett

And we do that no matter what time in our life, he'll wash it all away and be in heaven. So that's a lot for people to take in, but it's always good to remember, but by the grace of God go any of us. And of course, we always focus on how we're wronged, but we don't focus so much on how we've wronged other people. Yeah. And a lot of people have done a lot of wronging of other people.

28:48

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's right. That's right. Mean, myself included. I'm very open and I've had the podcast before with Ron about my my own abortion when I was 15, and my mother took me in for that, and it was a very horrific and painful point in my life. But I do believe that I have been forgiven Yeah.

29:12

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

For that horrific point in time. Mhmm. So I do believe that to be true. I do believe that to be true. Can you tell a little bit about what you teach in line with with respect to how people are actually how they interact with with demons, with evil.

29:33

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Because I am still of the opinion and the belief that I still have evil attached to me Mhmm. Despite living now a very righteous prayerful life. Mhmm. Very much so. You know, we still can't get this stuff out, which is okay.

29:52

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I believe most adults are walking around with certain evil. But yeah, I know that there's oppression. I know there's temptation. I know Mhmm. There's actual possession.

30:05

Matt Bennett

Right.

30:06

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Can you talk about it in your in in the way that you do, in the way that way that you teach?

30:12

Matt Bennett

Right. So yeah, many people have afflictions on them and it comes in all sorts of different ways, a lot in the mind, sometimes in the body and addictions, all sorts of ways. People pick them up in all these different ways we talked about, like even a student I ministered to on Zoom a few days ago, he had so many from video games. A lot of video games these days, it's not solitaire, it's have a lot of weird spiritual Yeah. Elements to And we we spent an hour, I mean, I'm not exaggerating.

30:43

Matt Bennett

It must have been a 100 evil spirits just from one video game and we didn't finish.

30:47

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I believe it.

30:48

Matt Bennett

And we're gonna have to do more with them to get them all out. And there's a it's it's we live in a very increasingly wicked culture and these are manifesting in this life in a lot of bad negative ways and all sorts of ways that people have negativity in their life because of the afflictions of these evil spirits. And so you can sometimes know that someone's afflicted and you're having a conversation with them. You can sense, sometimes you can sense by the Holy Spirit. Sometimes I'm not as prophetic as some people, but I think of one woman I walked up to, and as soon as I walked up to shake her hand, I had an image of her walking towards me seductively, and that was a seducing spirit, and we got it out of her a few hours later as we talked about it.

31:30

Matt Bennett

So sometimes the Lord will kind of tell you something that's there. Sometimes you can know just by their background, by what they're involved with growing up or different things, because usually, if a person has sexual trauma, affliction almost always have evil spirits from that. Trauma in the home can open the doors for that. And I mean, that's it makes sense I think that we all know that you can have, you know, afflictions and trauma from abuse growing up. But the question is, well, how do evil spirits get in there in that way?

32:02

Matt Bennett

The short answer is, I don't know. Mean, I this isn't clear in the scriptures. I do know that the devil hates us and he doesn't fight fair. The only way I can understand that is there in times like that, maybe our guards are down or something like that or or and that somehow they can kind of get access as in perfect world. But I've seen people's lives radically change through ministering through trauma that people have had growing up.

32:27

Matt Bennett

Not all times, sometimes it's not that you work and you try and you think there's a demonic affliction and maybe there is, but you can't get at it. Sometimes you you do get up and then you can't get them out. You you do your best you can, but sometimes people's lives are really, really radically changed. I think of this one woman, she worked in a church and she was head of part of the ministry of a big church. And I mean, this poor woman, she was in her forties and she came in and she kind of told her life story and basically, here she has a role in the church.

33:00

Matt Bennett

She says, soon as I walk into a room with people that I'm supposed to organize an event or some or something, I hate every person in that room. I mean, I just hate them. Well, that's an indication. I was like, alright, this is this is not usual for sure. Even a person who doesn't have it, I mean, something's wrong here.

33:16

Matt Bennett

And in her case, it was both violence in the home and some sexual abuse that she experienced. And she was so radically changed after the first session, she didn't wanna come back, she needed more. She came back for her second session and so we had that, she got even more free. Now she, honestly, she needed a few more, but she had so much change and she felt so different. She's like, I'm doing great.

33:39

Matt Bennett

And so that's got, well, God bless her, that's fine. So it's really incredible how people can be changed.

33:46

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. It's really remarkable. Yeah. It's really remarkable. Can you talk about the return of the evil spirit with seven more as described in Luke?

33:55

Matt Bennett

Mhmm. Mhmm. Right. So a person, if they're have unrepentant sin in their life, well, so the demons had access. They had permission to get in there.

34:06

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Legal rights.

34:07

Matt Bennett

Yeah. And I remember first learning about this from Neil Anderson back in '93. Now where I deal differ with him even though I very much appreciate his books, The Bondage Breaker, Victory Over Darkness, I read these in the early nineties, is that he maybe he changed over the years, but at least that time, he felt you needed to renounce these things, but then you didn't have to have to actually eject them. And I don't agree with that. I think you do have to eject them.

34:32

Matt Bennett

But when you do renounce and repent, there's power there, and it's beautiful and wonderful. And there's a measure of healing and release that happens that way. So but I think that next step has to happen as well.

34:47

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. And I was listening to the Sean Ryan show. Are you familiar? Yeah. That show?

34:52

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Okay.

34:52

Matt Bennett

Yeah. He has some kind of people like this on

34:54

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

his side. Yeah. He had father Chad Ripburger, kind of the the foremost exorcist, maybe even in the world in the Catholic sphere who, you know, has sent the most advanced cases of deliverance, and it's three hours. I'm over halfway through at this point, but in listening to him, I'm like, this is exactly what Matt has taught me. This is exactly what so this cannot be made up.

35:21

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

This cannot be made up in my opinion. There's just way too much evidence. Yeah. My mom friend Nikki sent this to me just this past week, just this particular podcast, and he was talking about how just that particular piece, how he knew that someone was relieved of the demon and then Yeah. But I don't know how he knew unless maybe he has the ability to see into the supernatural.

35:47

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

But he said, and exactly seven more returned. And so for me, and I know the person in your orbit, AM, put the fear of God in me

36:01

Matt Bennett

Yeah.

36:01

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And was essentially like

36:02

Matt Bennett

I was walking you through saying, do not sin in these areas

36:05

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

of place.

36:05

Matt Bennett

That's right. You opened the door up.

36:08

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Not open the door. Absolutely. And then she said, don't even open a window. Not even and I'm like

36:12

Matt Bennett

That's very good she did that. Of course. And as of course, when I minister I'm to

36:16

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

so scared.

36:17

Matt Bennett

I'm not gonna eject evil spirits if they are sending that, and I'm not committed to radical because it's gonna be worse for them in the end.

36:23

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

It is. It is.

36:23

Matt Bennett

Yeah. Mhmm.

36:24

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And I even asked you about my friend whom I love 's afflicted with alcoholism. Mhmm. And I said, she wants healing, and I want her to experience healing, but Yeah. I'm just so afraid that it's gonna be even worse Yeah. If she goes through deliverance, or this person goes through deliverance Yeah.

36:40

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And then invites Yeah. Seven more back in, and then she winds up, I don't know, doing something that compromises her spirit and soul in a way that she can't get into heaven. I don't so for me, it's it's just so complicated, the legal framework in which the spiritual realm operates. The reason I was want wanting some clarification for the viewers and listeners is because after I experienced that radical healing, and you worked downstairs with me, you worked with me via Zoom here Mhmm. Where downstairs, my body was convulsing.

37:14

Matt Bennett

That's right.

37:15

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

It was convulsing as We you were

37:17

Matt Bennett

call that manifesting. Yep. When you're ejecting them, sometimes they show themselves by this and twist a person's body around. Sometimes they speak through the person. Yeah.

37:26

Matt Bennett

It can be very dramatic sometimes.

37:28

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. And let's say that there's someone who's kind of plagued with these generational curses or this oppressive evil where they just can't stop as much as they try out of their own free will. Mhmm. And again, you know I've been through a lot of therapy, gone to a place for therapy for forty days. I mean, Lord knows.

37:49

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And how can people because we're all all of us sin. Right? But I try to confess everything every single day Mhmm. And then I'll go to confession. Mhmm.

38:02

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Like, I I try and layer up all of my confessing because I just don't want that to be on my soul or have any type of window of access Yeah. For anything to come back into my life. Mhmm. For people who very much want healing from, let's say, an oppressive disease, addiction, but they can't stop, or maybe they're not at a place in their life where they feel strong enough to stop. Right?

38:36

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Whatever sinning they're doing. Do you believe that they should not enter into this type of conversation at all?

38:46

Matt Bennett

Well, we gotta put the first thing first, and that is to walk with the Lord and be pleasing to him. And so a person should focus on that first and foremost in their lives, and have a good prayer life, read the Bible, go to church, repent of sins, and as you're moving towards the Lord, then yeah, it's good to try to get healing, inner healing or bodily healing or deliverance in some way, but if you you don't, there can be trouble in some ways because I mean everything we experience negative in life goes back to the Garden of Eden, goes back to our own rebellion against God and his ways, and so we gotta remember what it's all about, and it's all about walking with God. But humans being humans, what we want sometimes is, okay, I want all the healing, I want all the benefits and whatever else, but you know, God got out of my face, I'm gonna do whatever I want. Well, he doesn't see it that way, and he's orchestrating things in the world so that we'll see what really matters. Now we get fully aligned with them, walking with them and devotion.

39:49

Matt Bennett

And I wanna say something related to that, I think it's really key is because when people see the prophetic gift in action or see deliverances happen or people get the gift of tongues or whatever it is, They see this and it's very powerful, and you're talking about seeing this very powerful. However, it is microscopic in comparison to other power of God. And this isn't talked about in charismatic circles, it should be, because a whole bunch more power comes when you have Christians who are walking with the Lord in holiness, devotion, and praying fervently. And that's what a revival is. A revival isn't when there's a lot of spiritual gifts happening, because you see in the book of first Corinthians, they had a lot of spiritual gifts, but they were carnal, they were displeasing to God, they were under judgment, and it's not a revival.

40:34

Matt Bennett

But whole nations have been changed in the last decades around the world because they had an incredible movement of prayer and fasting. Same thing in The US. We have maybe the best revival history in the world. And now sometimes some spiritual gifts are manifest there, sometimes not, sometimes a little bit, sometimes a whole lot, but their level of power is nothing compared. When you have a bunch of Christians seeking the Lord together, what it does in the spiritual realm is absolutely unbelievable and changing, clearing the atmosphere.

41:03

Matt Bennett

It prevents people from getting demonized. It brings the blessings of God into a space. It's absolutely incredible. And that's where our first focus should always be.

41:12

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's exactly right. And I I absolutely agree with you. I wanna toggle over slightly Mhmm. Into the world of parenting. There's arguably an age of accountability for all of us, right?

41:30

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

We have fully formed brains, fully formed frontal lobes, right? All of this after the age of 25. But for children who are struggling with depression, suicidal ideation, masturbation, lying, all of these things that I have seen grow. Anxiety, even just anxiety. Children with extreme anxiety on very strong potent medication.

42:09

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

What does that look like when a parent is so worried about their child, and they come to you and say, will you pray over my child? I know there's an age of of accountability that needs to be taken into account before walking through a deliverance. Because, again, people don't wanna run the risk of the child sinning possibly and then reopening themselves to this evil, to come back sevenfold and make it worse. Can you enlighten me as to how parents should thoughtfully approach healing for their children?

42:53

Matt Bennett

Yeah, that's a big subject. I guess I'd start with make sure the parents are walking with the Lord, praying over the place, praying for their kids. That's so important for a good environment and fully repentant before God. That's where so much power and blessing comes in the spiritual realm. Now that being said and done, there's authority that have with their kids where some ministry can happen with them, and even while the kids are asleep, kind of praying over them, and even doing some ministry in terms of deliverance while they're asleep.

43:24

Matt Bennett

That does happen sometimes. I mean, have the same challenges. Sometimes it doesn't seem like something's happening or it does, or sometimes traumatic, sometimes it's not. Sometimes you can't get to the root of it. It's it's tough to know.

43:36

Matt Bennett

Sometimes there's no evil spirit connected to this, and it's physiological apart from that or other factors related, so you do the best you can. But there there can be some praying over and healing for children. But

43:52

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Where do you suggest parents go? Because like I said, the reason I I try to compile so much Mhmm. Research from different Mhmm. Spaces Mhmm. Is because I want to have a wide array of information for people go read or study if they're so inclined or so moved.

44:17

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Do you have any off the top of your head?

44:20

Matt Bennett

I would recommend going to Ken Fish's ministry, Orbis Ministries, that is their specialty, and they do an amazing job with it. And while I minister in these ways all the time, that's not the main thrust of our Christian leadership development. Mhmm. It's kind of a side thing for us comparatively. But so he's got a lot of resources.

44:40

Matt Bennett

You can sign up to get prayer appointments on Zoom through him. So ORBIS, I would go to. He's got a lot of content online, and he's very much an expert in these matters.

44:51

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Okay. Yeah. And with all of this, let's call it proof Mhmm. That does exist. I mean, there's ample proof in my eyes as Mhmm.

45:00

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

A lay person, a person who is not of any type of faith space, at least within my occupation. Mhmm. How can again, I I take it back to the pastors. How can pastors of churches, how can leaders of congregations argue that deliverance should possibly not happen? Or do they do they state that it state that it's not real?

45:29

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Or

45:30

Matt Bennett

Well, they've never seen it, and and nobody they've ever known has had a deliverance experience.

45:35

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I see.

45:35

Matt Bennett

So that's why we do a couple times a year a specialized conference called Gospel of the Kingdom, and it's a sort of a sub brand of Christian Union because it deals with helping people to learn about these, this aspect of the faith. Not just deliverance, but prophetic and miracles and healing so that they can get their questions answered because there's a lot of legitimate questions there. And a lot of charismatic places, some of them are great, some of them are just wild and kinda kooky and not so people personally go to that and they're like, this is all crazy. Mhmm. But it's not all crazy.

46:09

Matt Bennett

Some of it is absolutely real. So that's why we put these conferences on periodically, so that people can come and see. We find that with a person brings a couple of friends, it's great because maybe they they don't have us experience themselves, but their friend does and they know their friend's not messing around. They know them, they trust them. They're like, what just happened?

46:30

Matt Bennett

Why are you doing that? What's going on? And then they explain it to them that really in addition to teaching on the subject from the scriptures. And sometimes I teach like I'm doing this weekend on the subject, sometimes Ken Fisher will do the conferences, the one we do elsewhere on the subject. And so people can learn, they can grow, but it takes time.

46:49

Matt Bennett

Like anything else, it takes time to learn. And sometimes people want to have it all, know it's like these are complex matters and there's a lot of questions to be asked and it just takes time.

46:58

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

It really does. And in all truth and transparency, we're about to have GOTK, Gospel of the Kingdom Conference here at our East Texas home. We try and keep it smaller, more intimate.

47:10

Matt Bennett

But

47:13

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

if people are out there and want to learn more about this, I know you've already Mhmm. Given Orbis Ministries, which is absolutely terrific and a great wealth of information. Where else should people go if they perhaps don't have an invite to Mhmm. The Gospel of the Kingdom conference? Mhmm.

47:37

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Will you be on your podcast Mhmm. Opening it up, kind of like Dan Rehill does, Father Dan Rehill, for people to call in and talk.

47:46

Matt Bennett

Oh, that's interesting. I don't know. I hadn't thought about that. Mhmm. Yeah.

47:50

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Okay. So Yeah. But but where do they go? Where where do people go?

47:54

Matt Bennett

Well, besides these options, there aren't a lot. I mean, are schools of supernatural ministry that are out out there. Some are better or worse than others and pros and cons to them, so people can learn. But that's more for a younger person to go and spend a year or a few years to learn. So I would would go online and just look at some of the resources that are there or books.

48:18

Matt Bennett

Derek Prince has some good books on the subject. Okay. I'd recommend that. Also, Let's See Christian Healing Ministries. They've got good conferences too in Florida, and different ministries have different kind of specialties, like their strongest ministry there is inner healing.

48:33

Matt Bennett

They do other things too.

48:35

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Okay.

48:35

Matt Bennett

Judith McNutt, Francis McNutt has written a book, Deliverance from Evil Spirits, which is a good book. So there are some good books out there that people can read.

48:43

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Okay. Yeah. Because it's it's hard. Right? Whenever your congregation or your pastor or whomever is not teaching about this.

48:50

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

It's Yeah. I think people are kind of fighting with the hands tied behind their back.

48:55

Matt Bennett

Yeah. And it's hard for pastors because you have your own network and you're there and you're teaching and the opportunity for them to go and learn if it's not their background is limited. So, they only kind of know what they've been exposed to. And I know in some situations, some are kind of concerned because well, will they be kicked out of their church, but where the elders think or will they be able to get another job if they minister in these ways too? Cause most of the friends in their network don't do that.

49:21

Matt Bennett

So those are concerns, those are real concerns as well.

49:23

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Interesting. Yes. Another question for you related to this on that Sean Ryan show with father Ripburger. I can't find him But right they apparently keep track Mhmm. Of everything that they do pertaining to deliverance and exorcisms within the archdiocese and all of it.

49:56

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

There is an apparent growing amount of evil, darkness in the world. And he talked about the fact how there's a growing space in occult practices. Do you find that to be the case as well in your ministries?

50:17

Matt Bennett

Well, I would say in the West Mhmm. Evil is rising.

50:20

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Exactly. In Christianity. In the West. In the West. That's exactly right.

50:22

Matt Bennett

Yeah. Yep. Because places like Africa and different places, boy, they had incredible revival. For sure. They used to all be all about witchcraft all the time, all these villages.

50:30

Matt Bennett

Mhmm. But so much has been radically changed, incredible, and not just there, but South America, East Asia, different places. But in the West, because as we push Christianity out, well, if we don't want God around, he pulls back. And when he pulls back, evil comes in. And people dabble into all sorts of increasing spiritualities that and and there's a lot of deception out there too.

50:52

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

There is.

50:53

Matt Bennett

Because some are more overt. Yes, I'm gonna do witchcraft. I'm gonna be covet. Okay. But there's a lot of other stuff that people don't know.

50:59

Matt Bennett

Yeah. And a lot of deliverance I do are people had no idea. Mhmm. People will do yoga and they think, this is fine. It's like, it's not fine.

51:08

Matt Bennett

People from Hindu backgrounds know that this is a devotional practice is what it is to these different gods. The word means to be yoked with a Hindu god and it's a way of connecting the different poses with these gods. And the intent behind something spiritually matters, and so that was the intent of creating that. Of course, if you're on your own and you happen to do certain poses that are similar to those, it's nothing. But because that was the intent to connect with these demonic beings, then it's very problematic, and I've seen people delivered of Ganesh and Shiva and Vishnu and Kundalini and other Hindu related demons because of that.

51:49

Matt Bennett

So Christians just stay away. A lot of things have a spiritual aspect to it, and people don't know the danger they're toying with, and it causes the problems.

51:58

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. And apparently, there's growing practice of, I guess, being cursed, of music, TV

52:08

Matt Bennett

My understanding that's been going on for a while.

52:10

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

The radio It has been.

52:11

Matt Bennett

That's right.

52:11

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

But I think there's an increase in that as well Mhmm. If I'm not mistaken.

52:16

Matt Bennett

I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, they sorcery is when you put like witchcraft on an object or music for instance, or food, or stone, or So a lot will do that with music. And I've seen I think of one guy minister to, and he's in ministry, and he had, I don't know, 20 demons from all these different heavy metal groups that he went to listen to their music, and I forget all these names, you

52:42

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

know Crazy.

52:43

Matt Bennett

Metallica, all these different things, and they just came out one after the others. They would name themselves, and I'd say, what's your name? They'd come out, what's your name? And he had all these names, and they'd all come out of them. Yeah, it can be very negative.

52:54

Matt Bennett

A lot of times you can sense this in your own spirit. You can just feel like it's all there. Yeah. And it's, oh, there's nothing to it. I should lean in.

53:01

Matt Bennett

It's like, on. Catch yourself before you lean into that. And also you can tell too when a person has an unhealthy attraction is something that's kind of odd. That's often I mean Yep. This is weird, but people will say sometimes, yeah, I've always had a fascination with like, you know, morticians and what they do.

53:19

Matt Bennett

They got a demon of death most likely. Yep. There's a lot of activities where people have this attraction. They don't know because there's a spirit in them kind of pulling towards them. I think of this one woman too, she had suicide demons come out of her and this was a seducing spirit too.

53:36

Matt Bennett

It she said it's It was speaking to me through her. She's It says, you know, I tempted her and I I persuaded her Yep. When I was in Walmart to buy a knife and it persuaded her you need this knife which she used to cut herself attempt suicide. A lot of cutting almost always is driven by evil spirits. There's a lot there.

53:56

Matt Bennett

That's right. So it's a dynamic spiritual world and we gotta be on our toes.

54:02

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. And it's it's it's really unfortunate because so much of what we consume and by when I say we, I mean the general world. Yeah. The general world consumes appears so innocent. Yeah.

54:17

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Just appears even honestly seductive in in in many instances. Right? It's it's exciting. It's thrilling. Yeah.

54:24

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

It's pleasing to the ear, especially I'm I'm thinking about music. I've I'm

54:29

Matt Bennett

That's right.

54:29

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Very musically inclined. So I've always Mhmm. Been drawn to to music. I mean, Metallica, Nine Inch Nails, you know, the whole Trent Reznor thing. Are you kidding me?

54:40

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That was like my high school. Smashing pumpkins, darker music. Yeah. And but I I do now have an ability to discern for myself and for the kids much differently than I once did.

54:58

Matt Bennett

Mhmm.

54:59

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And but even just the other day, was in Monty's Tesla driving in and I had music playing and this song came on and I thought, that gives me a rush. I'm changing it because Yeah. Yeah. It was just very provocative.

55:13

Matt Bennett

Yeah.

55:14

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And because it did give me Yeah. A rush. Yeah. And I was like so I just changed it. Whereas before, oh, I would have leaned into that.

55:23

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I would have known all the lyrics. I would have Mhmm. Done all the things, but now I'm very mindful of it. Mhmm. I mean, yeah, Nine Inch Nails Closer, that song, oh, I think I used to karaoke that all the time.

55:34

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Mhmm. You probably don't even know what that is, which is a good thing. I don't. It's okay. Mean I mean, I'm telling you, this is like like evil.

55:41

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. Like, saying f me like an animal.

55:45

Matt Bennett

Oh, yeah.

55:46

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. That's not No one does. No. But I mean, I would sing it and all the anyways, I'm telling you, Matt, it's just very it was very alluring to me Yeah. Back in the day and I was, I don't know, all the things.

55:58

Matt Bennett

Yeah. A lot of people too have attraction to horror movies. Yeah. And you get demonized through that and those are evil spirits bringing them back for more. So through screens, we can get a lot of negativity.

56:09

Matt Bennett

There's sex of course, there's horror movies, there's a lot of spiritual shows, a lot of spiritual things going on Yeah. And stuff where people can get afflicted. Yeah. Boy, it's it's man, if you're not aware, it can make your life very very rough.

56:22

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Mhmm. And something I I feel inclined to share, I had like I said, I was raised in a non denominational school, first to twelfth grade. I had moments of, let's call it trauma from people in that community. Mhmm. I got to a point where, I mean, in my adult years, when I was married to Mani, there was some type of pastor on television, a Protestant pastor, and I was like, turn that off.

56:54

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I couldn't stand to hear it. I couldn't stand it. And back then, I didn't think much about it. I was just like, I can't stand this evil, this ridiculousness. Just turn it off.

57:07

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And I went about my day. I still, however, was fine in a Catholic church. It was that particular type of preaching. And then in hindsight, now I have no problem. Mhmm.

57:20

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

No problem listening to that type of Mhmm. Preaching. But it's the smallest things in our lives Mhmm. That seem innocent and very understandable based on let's say someone's trauma, but a reaction of that sort, a heightened reaction of that Mhmm. Capacity is just not really warranted.

57:41

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

But so I urge people, you know, who kind of have that type of knee jerk reaction to anything holy or good.

57:51

Matt Bennett

Yeah, something's going on.

57:52

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Right, something's going on. That's a

57:54

Matt Bennett

A lot of people have trouble too if you go to the Bible and your eyes are blurry or you fall asleep immediately or even prayers and you can't, that's a lot of times demonic Yep. Interference and that people aren't aware of that but that's what's keeping them back.

58:10

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yep. Mhmm. And okay, so and the reason I just wanted to bring this up is because many people are afflicted and they're not even aware. Yeah. And I want it to be more accessible for them, more digestible.

58:25

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Mhmm. I believe it's only God's grace and like a miracle in my life that I've been able to experience this type of transformation. Yeah. And if people are so inclined, want them to kind of be able to examine themselves and say, yeah, I have a knee jerk reaction to that kind of statement.

58:43

Matt Bennett

Yeah. They,

58:46

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

you know, it's so easy to be manipulated.

58:49

Matt Bennett

I think there's a good YouTube video by Derek Prince where he lists like all the different things that evil spirits can do in a life, in a person's Okay. I think that's a good reference if you search for that. And because yeah, it's all sorts of different things and it's good to say that could be caused by an evil spirit. Maybe not, but maybe.

59:07

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And an example is this one, a kiddo in kind of our kiddo community who I know kind of struggles with certain behavior, not being so nice to other kids, doing things that are pretty questionable. And I knew that it had that it was coming from one of the parents in particular and then it was kind of confirmed to a person in from a person in your network who, you know, is sometimes around. And what's interesting is that parents don't understand that they struggle with certain things like Yeah. Wanting to have a certain social status. Mhmm.

59:48

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Because what I learned in that Chad Ripburger show, demons love power. Power. Because for whatever reason, that's the language that resonates very strongly with them. So as people, even in the day to day society, you know, that that we're amongst, they want wealth and power and all of this prestige. And, you know, I encourage people to to understand that, like, it doesn't matter.

60:19

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That, anything in this life, the influence, the whatever, if it's not for God, it doesn't matter. It does not matter. Mhmm. We can't take wealth with us. We can't take earthly power.

60:31

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

It doesn't matter. Yeah. But if parents are encouraging their families or even their kids or even themselves, right, if they find that they themselves are they just want their kid to be the most popular, the coolest of this, the that. Why?

60:49

Matt Bennett

Yeah. We're driven by a lot of idols in our lives and demons can certainly energize those in some ways, but we need to be surrendered to the Lord and know his purposes and that's why we have the scriptures, we have prayer, we have teaching because yeah, be it money or sex or power or fame, whatever it is, these are idols that can ruin our lives, but they take over our lives and people live their whole lives going after it. When as you mentioned, it makes no sense. We're all gonna pass at some point, and people can do all sorts of bad things and be consumed by stuff and all for what at the end because of that. I mean, God through our Lord Jesus Christ, we can be free of all that, but we gotta be willing to admit that in our own hearts and acknowledge what's going on there, repent of it, get rid of it, and be faithful to God in every way.

61:38

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

For people who are really struggling right now and maybe watching this, are they able to reach out to you? Where do they interact with you? Are they able to interact with you or your team at all?

61:50

Matt Bennett

Well, it's kind of tough one. I I do have more people than I can keep up with.

61:55

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I know.

61:56

Matt Bennett

I tell people that if I wanted to, I would be busy fourteen hours a day every day ongoing. Because even people who do come, they need like 10 to 20 sessions. I know. And each one, it's an hour and a half. I mean, it's a lot that's there that people need.

62:12

Matt Bennett

So I wish there were a lot more people who would learn and and and learn how to minister in this way because the need is so great. And a lot of people too who wouldn't get back into the bad stuff. Some people, I'm not exaggerating, they're they're getting demons on them faster than I can get them out. Yeah. Course.

62:30

Matt Bennett

And I just said, I'm not gonna minister to you anymore because in the time between the times we we had together, they watched all these spiritualist kind of YouTube videos. So I think I discovered that through a vision or something the Lord gave me. And they're watching this and there's like, what are you doing? You're just re but people have temptations and they I think this one woman I ministered to one time, I couldn't get the spirit out, And so I didn't know why. And so I called up a friend who's very prophetic, and she prayed and said, the Lord told me.

63:02

Matt Bennett

I said, what is it? And she said, she wants it there. And I'm like, so I go back and I find out that's right. In this case, her husband, she had been unfaithful to her husband, and because of that her husband wouldn't be intimate with her. And so a spirit came presenting itself as kind of a love spirit.

63:21

Matt Bennett

I'm here to be your comforter, to be your friend, and she welcomed it in because she wanted that feeling. She missed it. It was kind of love to

63:29

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

her. Of course.

63:30

Matt Bennett

And she didn't wanna give it up. Yep. Well, it's hard to get it out and then plus you don't want to If you do get it out, it'll come back with seven or so. Yeah. It's a it's a huge need out there.

63:40

Matt Bennett

We do hold conferences sometimes. Maybe we'll do it in some other cities too in the future besides here and outside of of Dallas and East Texas as we do it in New York too. But we'll see. Maybe we'll do it other places where people can go and learn. Yeah.

63:54

Matt Bennett

But right now it's kinda hard to, yeah, need a lot more from it.

63:58

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah, it's true. Okay, so that's at least helpful that people can go to the resources that you've discussed. Yeah. I've briefly mentioned. Yeah.

64:09

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

But yeah, it's hard. The need for healing

64:14

Matt Bennett

The need is huge. Is huge.

64:16

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. Matt?

64:17

Matt Bennett

And

64:20

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

interestingly, I mean, I know you and I probably both follow a whole bunch of artificial intelligence Mhmm. Preparation, you know, in utopian and dystopian societies, and the different careers that will be left after right? After the workforce is radically changed.

64:37

Matt Bennett

Just trying to have the robots take over.

64:39

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. Exactly. Well, it's happening. I would never entrust my spirit, my soul to a robot. I wouldn't.

64:52

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

So I don't believe that you're ever gonna be out of work. And people in in your line of work Uh-huh. I do believe is is uniquely Mhmm. Protected.

65:03

Matt Bennett

Yeah. That's right. No robots taken. Yeah. That's right.

65:06

Matt Bennett

False job security.

65:08

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's exactly right. That's exactly right. But for

65:11

Matt Bennett

other things, the laying on of hands, and sometimes the Holy Spirit will come on to people Yeah. Or prophetic ministry. Yeah. Robots can't do that.

65:18

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

No. They And as interesting as it all is, yeah, I just want people to maybe even be encouraged to to learn more about Yeah. This particular area of of life, right, because maybe they'll be called to to learn more.

65:34

Matt Bennett

Yeah. To And get more laborers. Yeah.

65:36

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's right.

65:37

Matt Bennett

You know, Jesus, when he was going through all the towns and villages, he was sharing the gospel, teaching, but also ministering and healing and deliverance. And he said, pray that the Lord of the harvest would raise up more people. The harvest is white, but people need to hear the gospel if they're gonna believe. And people need relief from diseases and and deliverance matters, kind of evil spirits. So pray that God would send more people out.

66:03

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. Do you think there's anything else that we should cover in the remaining time that we have together? Anything that you believe would be helpful to people who are perhaps skeptical.

66:15

Matt Bennett

Yeah. Well, on the skeptical, it's okay if they're skeptical. I mean, it's a big bad world. Yeah. And it's okay.

66:22

Matt Bennett

As it is, all those people who aren't skeptical, skeptical, there's not enough people or time to get around to help them.

66:28

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's true.

66:28

Matt Bennett

So if they're skeptical, that's up to them. But often what happens is people get desperate enough and they start being willing to consider other options. I think That's one pastor in New York who was that way came from a stream where this was just absolutely unheard of. But he was having nightmares. He would wake up screaming regularly and a small New York apartment when you have a baby and a wife and you're screaming at the top of your lungs frequently, that's not so good for for your life.

67:01

Matt Bennett

And so that kind of made him willing to kind of check out. In his case, it was a combination of trauma, oh, and witchcraft put on him.

67:10

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yep.

67:11

Matt Bennett

There was a person across the street. I asked, I'd sensed by what was going on with him that witchcraft was involved. And so I said, you know, do you know anybody who's come against your church, who's done anything? And he's like, well, I don't know. He's kind of thinking about it and we'll see.

67:26

Matt Bennett

And I said, I said, well, yeah, did anybody ever like do a little kind of ceremony in front of your church or so? He says, well, is this LGBT activist woman who hates us, etcetera. And I said, well, what happened there? He's like, well, there's a misunderstanding and so she hates us. So she kind of emails us these spells and curses she put on us.

67:45

Matt Bennett

I said, really? I was that a lot? He says, yeah, you know, I think it was a fair amount. I said, well, how much? And he said, well, I did print them out one time.

67:53

Matt Bennett

I said, print them out? And he said, it was a thousand pages. I was like, what? My gosh. Thousand pages of witchcraft by some LGBT activist across the street.

68:04

Matt Bennett

Oh my goodness. I said, I think we found the problem. Wow. And that was the main source. That was the main problem.

68:10

Matt Bennett

That's Other things too. He had been abused and some things in the family line, but that was the big interlot. I know. I don't know what got her so mad that made her do that.

68:20

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Well, let me ask you because that father Chad Ripburger was talking about how he struggles with with gout. He was trying to deliver someone. She did not wanna be freed of this particular occultic I think it was occultic possession. And sure enough, she cursed him. She was throwing curses, and he usually says a prayer, you know, if

68:45

Matt Bennett

Yeah.

68:45

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Like a a protection beforehand, like allow any curses from this person to, you know, go from you know, basically be repelled off of him and to go from which they were sent. Like, go back to which from when the source that they were sent. And I don't know if he didn't do it or something, but anyways, he had that. And then this gentleman, Lee Strobel, on Tucker Carlson, he said that a true Christian cannot be demonically possessed.

69:15

Matt Bennett

So that was what we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah.

69:17

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. And but they can be oppressed.

69:19

Matt Bennett

Okay.

69:20

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Okay. But can be oppressed, bothered, attacked by demons. Yeah. So this instance for with this pastor, he's clearly a Christian. So but he could be demonically oppressed.

69:33

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

So that that does kind of line up with his statement.

69:35

Matt Bennett

Yeah. Demonically, afflicted, oppressed, the foothold of the devil. I mean, I think it's good just to get rid of that word possess because it's never used in the Bible. Yeah. That's good.

69:45

Matt Bennett

Just get rid of Oppressed. Yep. But everyone is owned by the enemy until, I mean, the scripture say we are children of wrath until we become children of God.

69:53

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's right.

69:54

Matt Bennett

So so yes, Christians can be afflicted, oppressed in different ways.

69:59

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And suffer.

70:00

Matt Bennett

And now and now things get can get a little complicated because if witchcraft is alighting on him, that often means there's reasons why. The scriptures say without a curse will not alight without a cause in Proverbs. Interesting. And so if you don't have much affliction on you Uh-huh. And you're prayed up Uh-huh.

70:20

Matt Bennett

It's hard for curses to sort of land on you. Now it's hard for witchcraft to have much impact on you. Now people can be foolish. I think of one guy I know who's a minister, and he went to some sort of a coven convention or something like that. So he was there to kind of go do battle, and here he is a pastor, and he goes and he's praying in tongues while they're kind of do battle.

70:42

Matt Bennett

Well, mistake. A woman there sees that he's doing this, and he can tell that she puts a spell and curse on him. And that night, never happened in his life before, he got visited in the night where some sort of spirit like would grab his whole bed and like shake it and bang his bed. Now I, at this point, we got that spirit off. I think it's completely gone.

71:05

Matt Bennett

It's been some time now. Mhmm. But he had some open doors. He had some demonic afflictions on his life. He may not have been prayed up as much as he was.

71:15

Matt Bennett

So if you're you can go into battle and the Lord calls you, do it, but you have to be aware and be strong. Only take the battles the Lord tells you to do. And certainly, if this is new to you, do not go up against or do anything.

71:28

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's right.

71:29

Matt Bennett

You don't know what you're You're gonna cause yourself trouble, and so just stay away.

71:33

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's right.

71:34

Matt Bennett

I mean, are people who do. I think of this pastor and a friend of mine from Uganda. Now what he was doing, they were praying and fasting all day in their room praying for revival. And they're there, just meeting every day and praying and fasting. And he went down to the person on the corner to get some food, and the woman says, well, you know, something like, we wish you'd go away.

71:55

Matt Bennett

And he's like, well, what's that? He says, everybody knows what you're doing. He's like, what are you talking about? He says, well, a few of the people here who do spiritualist stuff here in our little village, they've already left because they have no power left because of their prayer and fasting that they were doing. So that's why I kinda come back to that theme of how powerful that is.

72:13

Matt Bennett

That makes enemies, they flee. They they can't get access. They can't do things. So instead of kinda coming up and directly confronting there, not that you should never do it, but get a group of Christians, pray and fast and seek the Lord, it changes the spiritual dynamics in the community. And you see this in revivals like the businessman's revival of 1857.

72:35

Matt Bennett

Stories are told. This is in New York City. The whole city is praying like crazy, and there are stories of ships coming into the harbor, And as the ship slowly pulling in, and they had no idea this was happening, this was before radio. And so they're coming in, and the whole ship comes under conviction of sin and becomes Christians. What?

72:57

Matt Bennett

Before they dock. Yeah. Because the whole atmosphere changed. And this is what happens in in true revivals is the territory spirit. A way you can visualize it is, think about the number of angels radically increasing in the territory and the number of demons radically decreasing in the territory.

73:14

Matt Bennett

Mhmm. And it changes things. And this is why I went with some friends some years ago to see for myself the Fiji Islands, because they've been having revivals there for twenty five years. And I'd heard the stories, I know people who went, but I went because I wanted to talk to people myself. And village after village, so about 300, 500 in each village, there there are already Christian churches there, but they're weak, they're divided among themselves, they don't pray much.

73:40

Matt Bennett

But this group comes in, the Healing the Land team made of Phijians, and they come and they take them through a four week process, and you see salvations, you see joy come back to their lives, you see healings and deliverances. But the most amazing part, and this is how they got their nickname, Healing the Land, is the land changes.

73:59

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's

73:59

Matt Bennett

right. Because they they're agrarian and they get also seafood from the ocean to sell to the resorts. And the abundance radically increases. So the people, they'll say this tree right here, they'll touch it. Mhmm.

74:12

Matt Bennett

It would bear fruit maybe once per year. Now it never stops bearing fruit. They would show me the yams are this big. They used to be this big. No change in what they did.

74:20

Matt Bennett

So and and you see that in second Chronicles seven fourteen. God says, he'll heal our land Mhmm. If we turn to him with our whole hearts. And so America, what we need to do first and foremost, the believers, not the non believers, the believers need to seek the Lord wholeheartedly. Yep.

74:36

Matt Bennett

And our problem is is that we think we're doing it good enough Mhmm. Because look at those non Christians, they're bad. Well, they might be bad, but there's no power until we seek the Lord in a way that's pleasing to him.

74:47

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's right.

74:48

Matt Bennett

And I was rereading Malachi a couple of days ago, and they were going and doing their offerings, and then this is during the old covenant, they're doing it. But the Lord said, you're supposed to be bringing me the best of your flocks for offerings, and you're bringing the ones you wanna get rid of. Mhmm. The blemish goats and sheep and whatever else. He says, I will not accept it.

75:07

Matt Bennett

If your governor told said, hey, give me an offering here for me, you would never bring that. So it's not they weren't doing anything. They were only seeking the Lord partially, and that's our problem in the West. It's why the international church in so many places, they're having fantastic progress with the gospel, but we're in retreat because we don't have much power from the Lord because he's displeased with us.

75:29

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. That's absolutely right. My son Lewis wrote one of his future voices articles on building eternal rewards. Is forty days of fasting enough? And in here, he even links your website.

75:40

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And he says, my uncle Matt is a Protestant who found a Christian union ministry helping Ivy League students, blah blah blah. But then he links your Daniel spirituality in his article. Mhmm. And it's it's like, right now, I'm fasting. Mhmm.

75:56

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Right? And I have adopted this type of fasting in my own life because I do have spiritual clarity. Believe I can hear from God in my prayers, in Yeah. My quiet It's a radical difference Yeah. In just my own life.

76:10

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. And how how can you how do you suggest people who are not maybe willing to do twice a week fasting and, you know, kind of devote thirty minutes a day, thirty you know, hour in the evening, like, this type of time. Mhmm. And I'm busy, But at this point in my life, I'm like, mm-mm. He comes first.

76:31

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

He has to

76:31

Matt Bennett

come Amen.

76:32

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And then there's sometimes, of course, some days where I'm like, dear God, I'm so sorry. I couldn't get to it. I needed all the things as a mom. But how can people just start? Start in maybe just even a step in the right direction or learning more because again, we will link this particular website that Lewis linked, but how?

76:55

Matt Bennett

Right. Danielspirituality.org. Yep. And I did a lot of research over a number of years about what does the Lord expect of us in terms of regular devotional life. There's not a lot of teaching out there and it needs to be explained.

77:10

Matt Bennett

So from the scriptures first of all, but also church history and modern examples, it's laid out. If you wanna be strong in the Lord, this is the amount of time. Some people will say things like that. I think of one pastor who said, well, we could always pray more. It's like, well, not necessarily.

77:25

Matt Bennett

You got responsibilities to do. You gotta take care of your family. You minister to it. It's not like you pray all day. I mean, if that's your calling, God bless you.

77:33

Matt Bennett

But there is a certain standard, just like if a person's an athlete, there's a certain amount of time that it takes to be strong in the Lord. And so I'd encourage people to go to that website and then start taking the first steps there to get there. It's sort of like, you know, most people in a certain age range can run a marathon, but you can't do it starting today. But if you work up it over time and you do a little bit and stuff and you get a partner do it with you, you can kinda get up there and and do that. And so, I mean, I think to be strong in the Lord, a person needs thirty to sixty minutes with the Lord in the morning and thirty to sixty minutes at night.

78:10

Matt Bennett

And I mean, a person says, well, do I have the time? I was like, well, mean, it's just thirty in the morning, 30, that gives you twenty three hours to do everything else.

78:19

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

That's right.

78:20

Matt Bennett

I think that's that's plenty of time. And of course, more time on Sundays and then fasting up until about dinner Wednesdays and Fridays is very helpful I for your spiritual believe

78:29

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

you're free.

78:29

Matt Bennett

3PM is good too. But it's

78:31

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

You know, it's so hard for me. I'm a weenie faster.

78:34

Matt Bennett

I mean, got five days off every week. Mean, you got so, you know, look at it that way and then up to up to that, but that helps you to be strong in the Lord. And each one of these on their own isn't everything, but altogether it's it's drawing close to the Lord. And of course, you need to repent of all your sins and and be obedient to him in every way. But it's amazing that Christians will think that that's sort of inconsequential.

78:58

Matt Bennett

I mean, people in physical exercise, if you walk up the stairs and you're winded, you'll know why you're winded. Yeah. But a lot of times people have all these spiritual problems in their life. It won't even occur to them that they they're not prayed up, don't have their spiritual armor on. Mhmm.

79:14

Matt Bennett

You can't just pray five minutes in the shower and think that you're gonna be strong in the Lord protected and and you're not reading the scriptures and we gotta saturate our minds with the scriptures regularly in our devotional times. When you do that, yeah, you're strong, it's fantastic. You'll still have challenges, but you'll have God with you and you'll have a strength and you'll have the filling of the spirit. And international church knows that, they take people talk talk about the Chinese church and the Korean church and other places because they take the time. That's right.

79:41

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And something I feel inclined to share and then we can wrap up. I was thinking about when we and and again, sometimes now I will work in the deliverance space under the guidance of of Matt and and others, I guess, in your in your orbit. We were going to pray last year in May in New York over someone, and there were several of us going. And I was very worried about having any holes or anything in my own armor, and I prayed. And I think I told you this, how I was praying to God to up armor my armor, make it this, that, the other.

80:25

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Very specific, nuance prayer about what I hoped my armor would transform into so that I would not be affected or afflicted with anything or by anything. And this person in your group, you probably know who I'm talking about, looked at me and said before we all went in, to do this kind of deliverance session on someone and said, your armor looks totally different. Started explaining and describing the exact details of how my armor had changed. And it reduces me to tears because the power of prayer is so real. Yeah.

81:06

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

But unfortunately, Matt, being around you, being around my husband, being around this community, I didn't get it until that experience. This Really? Person was able Didn't to yeah. Yes.

81:20

Matt Bennett

That is so real.

81:20

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Because Yeah. This person, right, just was like, it's like this, and there's, like, rose, and and now it's intricately here with gold. Mhmm. But the prayers that I were pray I was praying Mhmm. Thirty minutes to an hour before this person saw me.

81:35

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And then this person could see in the spirit Mhmm. In your New York apartment before the people arrived that Yeah. That the I mean, so for me, I was like, oh my Lord, the power of prayer is not real. Okay.

81:50

Matt Bennett

Yeah. Okay. Okay. So We know from Ephesians six to pray on all occasions, all kind of requests. That's right.

81:56

Matt Bennett

It talks about the breastplate of righteousness and the shield of faith. These are critical and as we pray for the strengthening of our bodies and our spirit, man, yeah, it makes a difference. Yeah. And so it's wonderful when you have these kind of visual confirmations for people who have these kind of strong prophetic It helps you and you see that in first Corinthians 14 where it says, there was talking about non believers, but believers too. It says, they walk into a space and they give a prophetic word and the secrets of their heart are disclosed and they say, surely God is among you.

82:30

Matt Bennett

And that's one of the blessings of the prophetic gift is that it helps make it real that God is real. He hears our prayers. He knows everything. It's it plays a great role that way in building our faith.

82:42

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

It really does. Yeah. It really does. And thank you again for all that you do.

82:46

Matt Bennett

Yeah. Oh, sure. Thank you. Yeah.

82:48

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Again, like I cried to Mani on many occasions, I've said

82:52

Matt Bennett

Mhmm.

82:53

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

It is only like God's grace that has made it to where Matt was your identical twin and my brother-in-law. This should not be. Like, that there's no way that that I should have experienced this type of radical transformation in my life.

83:08

Matt Bennett

And Well, I I know you know this, but it's the Lord who brings the people into our lives.

83:13

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

I know, I know that. That's why I thank God for you. Yeah. And I thank God for him. I thank God for everything that's been able to happen in our lives.

83:21

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Yeah. To lead us to this point in time. I just pray that God works through us both Yeah. Through all that we do. Yeah.

83:29

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

And I appreciate you, and I love you very much.

83:31

Matt Bennett

I love you very much too.

83:32

Sarah Zubiate Bennett

Thank you. Yeah. Thank you, Matt. Mhmm.

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